tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post112804930677678508..comments2023-10-31T05:56:45.788-07:00Comments on LutheranChik's "L" Word Diary: Irreconciliable Differences?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post-1128376019409240952005-10-03T14:46:00.000-07:002005-10-03T14:46:00.000-07:00And now, on the same forum, we have an individual ...And now, on the same forum, we have an individual who is advocating the death penalty for homosexuals. I asked her what mode of execution she thought was God's preferred means of dealing with gay folks -- stoning, Zyklon B, etc. -- and she hastened to add that "they" (the Real Christians[tm]) aren't to do the actual killing. Hmmmm...I see. Maybe they want to job that out to someone of a similarly bloodthirsty frame of mind. (Wasn't there a movie like that, with Marlon Brando and Al Pacino?) <BR/><BR/>Feh.LutheranChikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02685566332651377907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post-1128374495323859922005-10-03T14:21:00.000-07:002005-10-03T14:21:00.000-07:00Thanks Lutheranchik!You can tell Those who borrow...Thanks Lutheranchik!<BR/>You can tell <BR/>Those who borrow from Bonhoeffer's phrase "cheap grace" that they need to re-read Bonhoeffer. Bonhoeffer was not a political conservative by no means. I know people on the Right use his writings but he is not a fundamentalist at all. He also goes up against those on the Left as well(part of the Neo-orthodox school that reacted against 19th century liberalism).Rev. Kiddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13589654860570606783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post-1128317125132680192005-10-02T22:25:00.000-07:002005-10-02T22:25:00.000-07:00just invalidate your comment totally ("Well, you m...<I>just invalidate your comment totally ("Well, you may think you are...").</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, yeah LC: what are you gonna do w/ that? <BR/><BR/>[I was out in a nearby town today, and came across a large contigent of anti-abortion demonstrators---some kind of multi-city organized effort?(the TV news mentioned it)---and had half a mind to protest <I>them</I>, by making a sign that said "I'm a Pro-Choice Christian." But I knew full well that <B>their</B> reaction would be "No, you're not!" or "You just <I>think</I> you are." I just let it go...]<BR/><BR/>But the irony is, I know that I do the <I>same</I> thing. I meet (putative) "Christians", usually on-line, who are <B>So Hateful</B>, that I can only conclude that <I>they do not KNOW Jesus</I> (which I may then suggest as a question).<BR/><BR/> . . . but of course, they assure me that they do.<BR/><BR/>This is one of those situations, where you can only throw up your hands and say "Lord have mercy." <BR/><BR/>{sigh}Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post-1128309389298159442005-10-02T20:16:00.000-07:002005-10-02T20:16:00.000-07:00Interesting that I stumbled across this tonight on...Interesting that I stumbled across this tonight on AKMA's blog (http://akma.disseminary.org/archives/2005/09/index.html, Sept. 25 entry):<BR/><BR/>“The decisive passages in the New Testament do not say: One theology, one right, one opinion on all matters public and private, and one kind of conduct. Instead they say: one body and one Spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and father of us all (Ephesians 4:4ff; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Romans 12:5); various gifts – one Spirit, various offices – one Lord, various powers – one God (1 Corinthians 12:4ff). The point is not ‘unanimity in Spirit’ [‘einigkeit in Geist’], but the ‘unity of the Spirit’ [‘einheit des Geistes’], as Luther puts it in his exposition of Ephesians 4:3; this means the objective principle sovereignly establishes unity, unites the plurality of persons into a single collective person [Gesamtperson] without obliterating either their singularity or the community of persons. Rather, unity of spirit, community of spirit, and plurality of spirit are intrinsically linked to each other through their subject matter.”<BR/>– Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Communio Sanctorum, trans. Reinhard Krauss and Nancy Lukens.Bag Ladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16664846951194175105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post-1128295870485395882005-10-02T16:31:00.000-07:002005-10-02T16:31:00.000-07:00Well, you know that and I know that, but when I ha...Well, you know that and I know that, but when I have tried to explain the difference between Law and Gospel on ecumenical forums, I usually get my hindquarters handed to me on a plate for peddling "cheap grace." <BR/><BR/>BTW, I like your blog; am adding it to my blogroll next time I edit that.LutheranChikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02685566332651377907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post-1128293173308523132005-10-02T15:46:00.000-07:002005-10-02T15:46:00.000-07:00This is sad. Lutherans are supposed to be centered...This is sad. Lutherans are supposed to be centered on the gospel. Too much Legalism.Rev. Kiddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13589654860570606783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post-1128256511669564922005-10-02T05:35:00.000-07:002005-10-02T05:35:00.000-07:00That last comment, BTW, was my poor attempt at hum...That last comment, BTW, was my poor attempt at humor. I wish I could make this situation right, but first it would help to understand what I did that was <I>wrong.</I>LutheranChikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02685566332651377907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post-1128255737711600372005-10-02T05:22:00.000-07:002005-10-02T05:22:00.000-07:00I am really clueless as to why this person is reac...I am really clueless as to why this person is reacting so violently to what I said. I mean, I was describing the kind of people who physically grab you off the sidewalk to scream in your face about what a sinner you are and how you're going to hell; who, if you self-identify as a Christian, instead of accepting that, demand some sort of proof ("Are you sure? Are you really, really, really, REALLY sure?"), or just invalidate your comment totally ("Well, you may <I>think</I> you are..."). And this person is so not like that I can't imagine why she's taking this personally...in fact, when I said I wasn't referring to her she told me not to patronize her. Oy. This is like an "interpersonal relationship" with only the bad parts..."If you <I>really</I> loved me you'd <I>know</I> why you're upsetting me!...." Oy. Hey -- as I mentioned in my other post, I'm a Relationship Doofus. You have to 'splain it to me like I'm five years old. (And I'm not even gettin' dinner and a movie for all of this drama.)LutheranChikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02685566332651377907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post-1128243120596735972005-10-02T01:52:00.000-07:002005-10-02T01:52:00.000-07:00Bad enough on the net. Worse in real life!!Bad enough on the net. Worse in real life!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post-1128211043462371282005-10-01T16:57:00.000-07:002005-10-01T16:57:00.000-07:00there is a fine line between debate and arguing. P...there is a fine line between debate and arguing. People will become very defensive if their theology is challenged. a cornered rat will bite back if it feels challenged. Not that fundamentalist are rats but you get the idea. I have seen on beleif net Lutherans wiping each other out, liberal vs conservative and they practice their faith together. Sandbags and soup lines are important so if thats the best you can do . so be it. Eventually will go to the same place at least I think. Thinkstomuch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post-1128164328619360852005-10-01T03:58:00.000-07:002005-10-01T03:58:00.000-07:00How sad...that happened on a site I used to visit,...How sad...that happened on a site I used to visit, to the extent that most people left and though some of us are in touch, that whole community folded. I love the insight about being Jesus to each other...but it is often so hard.<BR/>Hope you aren't personally too bruised by the encounter.Kathrynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09171138485811816831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post-1128160432340810852005-10-01T02:53:00.000-07:002005-10-01T02:53:00.000-07:00all of us are wounded, most of us listen poorly an...all of us are wounded, most of us listen poorly and in my experience this leads to reacting (or equally bad withdrawing) instead of being able to dialogue in a healthy way<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry for the mess, May God in His mercy heal the wounds so that we all can step forward with joy and confidence in His leadership.<BR/><BR/>be blessed :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post-1128157110840634632005-10-01T01:58:00.000-07:002005-10-01T01:58:00.000-07:00'Tis hard to do that, Nathan, when one group doesn...'Tis hard to do that, Nathan, when one group doesn't consider the other to be *real* Christians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post-1128109759656722492005-09-30T12:49:00.000-07:002005-09-30T12:49:00.000-07:00Sometimes yes. Sometimes, unfortunately, even bein...Sometimes yes. Sometimes, unfortunately, even being in service can lead to a disagreement about whether it's okay to preach or pray. It's sad.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08235049965406944684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10838182.post-1128091682348650472005-09-30T07:48:00.000-07:002005-09-30T07:48:00.000-07:00Sometimes doing things together gets us where talk...Sometimes doing things together gets us where talking about differences can't. I think the use of different meanings for the same terminology presents a lot of headaches.Closedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04752595488795781895noreply@blogger.com